Abortion is a debate that has gone on for a long time and will keep going on. I feel each person should have a choice to have an Abortion. Different times and situation in ones life will lead a person thinking diffferntly about this as well. Each time you have sex there is the potencial to create a life, but most times we choose to use a birth control and there are many reasons for this and mostly is to to our life situation at the time. So why bring a extra life into the world if you are not willing too or unable to look after, care for and educate it till adulthood.

hi Mandy Tree, welcome, nice name.

I agree that usually it is the pregnant woman who is most impacted by being pregnant and so it is mainly her choice to proceed to full term or not.

Equally, given that the state will provide for a new born baby if the mother or immediate family cannot do so, I would also say that for a near term baby, the mother's needs should generally defer to those of the near term baby. I cannot define near term, and believe that is best something decided on a case by case basis.

There are exceptions of course, one for example where bringing the baby to term is likely to seriously harm the mother. Those not impacted by the decision should have much less say in the matter than those directly impacted.

This is supported by my analysis earlier in this post.

Well in what circumstances can we justify the ending of human life?

So the conclusion is abortion should be legal and accessible because the consequences of not legalising it are worse than the consequences of legalising it however the act itself is ethically wrong.

Sorry, I don't follow how you reached the conclusion stated, based upon what I have read in these posts.

As I wrote before, abortion is not ethically wrong always, in some cases it is ethically correct. Legal and accessible are different from ethical. Also the definition of abortion is a bit grey. There are many spontaneous abortions ... not every fertilised human cell can reach maturity and produce a living human being. If the fertilisation is of poor quality, and has major physical problems, this early form of life often spontaneous aborts - an early term miscarriage, or sometimes even a "heavy period". Human life is also undefined and not agreed.

I think most, but not all of us, agree that it is ethical that the woman has the major say in the decision. More than that I think is difficult to conclude.

arry



Not the conclusion I draw.

As for your logic based on the "consequences", it sounds like you just made the argument for a pre-emptive nuclear strike at any time you feel the consequences of not acting are outweighed by the consequences of acting.

That's always the criticism of any consequentialist argument, you don't know for certain what will happen. This is true, but usually you can make a fairly accurate guess.

It is ethical for abortion to be legal because the consequences of it not being legal (backyard abortions, unwanted children, infringement of individual civil rights) are greater than the consequence of it being legal. Maybe criminalising abortion will reduce the abortion rates, but it will not eliminate it, and the costs of reducing abortion rates is not worth the cost of backyard abortions an infringement of civil rights in my opinion.

To those of you who argue abortion is ok in 'rape' cases, your position is incosistent. Why is it ethical to abort in a case of rape but unethical to abort in a case of consensual sex? Either way you're still taking human life.

arry

I'm going to translate your statement.


Sometimes you get lucky with a guess.

The NRL season kicks off this weekend, we cans see the outcomes of fairly accurate guesses in the tipping competition. Which reminds me i need to go to optusnet and post my tips.

You left off the consequence of it being legal of terminating an innocent life. Which is why it always strikes me as strange people supporting abortion, but opposing capital punishment.

I don't oppose capital punishment outright.

Retrospective abortion?
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There are those that postulate that the drop in crime rates in the USA coincides with the availability of legal abortion. The theory being that the poor and uneducated classes tend to produce the most criminals and that the rise in abortions meant that there were less poor/uned. and so less criminals coming along.

How do i help my friend to understand how serious an abortion is? My best friend is pregnant and she is getting an abortion. Abortion is the best option for her at this time so i am not questioning whether she should keep the baby or not. She just seems to be taking it so lightly and even laughs about it, she doesn't understand an abortion is serious. How can i make her see how serious it is and what she is actually doing without talking her out of it?

If you don't want to talk her out of it then let well enough alone, if she's happy then let her be happy about it.

What is a good title for an essay on abortion? I'm writing a college essay on abortion and I'm giving my views on it by also incorporating what other people say. I'm totally against abortion. Examples of titles include A Defense of Abortion and Abortion and the Sexual Agenda, but I can't use those because they've already been used.

Why would a possible title have been "A Defense of Abortion" if you are against abortion?

If you stay around for a while you might see your merry friend wake up to reality. A friend of mine who's thankfully moved interstate now would harp on to all and sundry about her three abortions every time she got drunk, which was regularly. It seemed to start plaguing her after she carried two children to full term.
I wonder if there's any interest on this forum regarding the case in today's news, where a father has been denied the right to prevent his ex girl friend from having an abortion. Has anyone had a grandchild aborted? That would be hideous experience too I imagine.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-10/c ... er/3941984

I think it depends. If a mother can't give her child love, she'd rather make an abortion. It sounds horrible, but children should be loved.


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Hello everyone again.

Pregnancy is not a marriage proposal.

It is no more in the nature of women to kill children than it is in the nature of men to rape children.

Women have the ability to defend themselves against sexual assault.

Maybe investing money in the research of potential transplant would solve the problem. One mentioned one woman sees a fetus, whilst another sees a baby. Maybe the latter is his match whilst the former is not, hence the latter's lack of bond to the pregnancy. This phenomenan occurs to extent that the latter invest time researching techniques to convince the former, something I call brainwashing.

In history, women have performed abortions because the pregnant woman would be damaged or hurt by the pregnancy or birth of the child. It is taken that the pregnancy is not natural, ie a rape type creation, the former as horrified about the pregnancy as the latter are about abortion.

But from this I think it's fair to say some women naturally establish bonds to pregnancies carried by other women because they hold a type of relationship with the man and hence the birth.

There are real health risks for women; pregnancies draw marrow from women's bones, women can die in childbirth and have to cope throughout life with the prospect of a disabled birth. Women also have to suffer the horror at coming of age and learning that men can rape, some also suffering the horror of rape, abuse and force in life and mental health consequences as a result. These reasons are why it remains a greater right of women to decide.

If you ask yourself to consider the lost babies from forced abortion, as silenced as rape victims by abuse within the law, maybe you would see the thousands of women abandoned by the law left to restore justice in their own lives whilst being also held to account to it, and the total losses they suffer as unjustified.

If people who are against abortion cared for women forced into abortions, who have lost babies, maybe women would finally get help from the law, and the murder would stop.

Just want to say I don't agree with the position 1 and 2 cases.

The Catholic Church has always condemned abortion as a grave evil. Christian writers from the first-century author of the Didache to Pope John Paul II in his encyclical Evangelium Vitae ("The Gospel of Life") have maintained that the Bible forbids abortion, just as it forbids murder. This tract will provide some examples of this consistent witness from the writings of the Fathers of the Church.

As the early Christian writer Tertullian pointed out, the law of Moses ordered strict penalties for causing an abortion. We read, "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely [Hebrew: "so that her child comes out"], but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot" (Ex. 21:22–24).

Strongly no to abortion. It is a human life and humans were earth's ruller then why would you kill a ruller?

I haven't read the entire thread as of yet, but I will, I will. I decided to join these boards because I just got into an argument over abortion and the womans right to choose (on a Yahoo article of all places). Feeling a need to hear a different viewpoint (as I consider "her body, her choice" an invalid argument, which was the only one I heard) I came to these forums. I'm glad I read your post, it really made my day. A very interesting thing to consider.

I'm adopted. My mother had no other option because of the era. I'm talking about the fifties.

Should it be legal?

That to me would depend entirely on the person. If it was the result of unprotected sex then no.
If it was the result of a traumatic rape of an underage child then yes.

It comes down to an individual and very personal selection. You can't say yes or no until all factors are taken into account.