What do people think of legislation in Europe aimed at these particularly horrible slaughter methods?

http://www.natalt.org/2012/03/29/animal ... slaughter/

Your link is to a national socialist website. The website makes apologies for Hitler, describes the holocaust as a 'chequered past', implies that european culture is superior to all others and that Australia's heritage is a european one, completely ignoring the existence of the Australian Aboriginal people.

Now we've got the context nice and clear, let's consider the proposed law.

Yes, halal and kosher slaughter involves a much higher level of suffering than stunning then killing. I agree that it is not ethical on this basis and in principle, must be overcome as a practice.

However, on a practical level, a ban on these practices is unjust, as it is a direct assault on the cultures of two minorities while completely ignoring the larger and far more serious issue of factory farming - a legacy of european industrialization.

This is where the context becomes important. The website you link to doesn't give a damn about animal welfare. If it did, it would be focusing on this far more serious and widespread issue where animals live their entire lives in horrific conditions and are THEN killed. Instead it chose to focus on two small scale practices that just happen to be part of the cultures Nazis hate. What a coincidence.

In summary, I agree with gradual efforts to phase out halal and kosher slaughter, based on education over a long period. But I only support this where factory farming is also being addressed and with considerably more vigor given its greater scale and impact.

I eagerly await your response, which I'm sure will address my points with evidence and won't make any reference at all to the 'evils of multiculturalism', how Hitler made the trains run on time, or the wonders of european culture.

The way we humans treat animals makes me think of the words "what you do to the least of my brothers, you do to me".........

We diminish ourselves with every act of mindless cruelty to animals and with every unreflective, obdurate insistence on being allowed to continue with a barbaric "cultural practice" whether that's whaling, or sow stalls or halal slaughter or feedlots...........

and against that background i think its a damn shame that the animals have to suffer for another few centuries while we, the supposedly "intelligent" creatures argue about ideology and try to justify our stupidity ............


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It is great to see what we have now when compared to how animals were dealt with for quite a long time ago. And now people seem to have gotten over the hump of feeling like the king of the whole jungle and start treating animals just right.

Though it would be another thing to actually consider how people are going to be taken, probably lightly when you are going up against a huge form following for animals.

Killing an animal "kindly" is a ridiculous notion when the reason for the slaughter is so that we can eat it!

G'Young ~ Nice attempt at misdirection - but no cigar.

Invoking 'cultural relativism' as an excuse for sanctioning the continuation of barbaric ritual slaughter of animals is purely a case of trying to promote Cultural-Marxism as being superior to civilised sensibilities.

The slitting of sheeps' throats is the issue here, and no amount of clouding the issue with references to religious tradition or that chickens are kept in appalling circumstances diminishes the guilt of those who practice or condone this ritual cruelty.

There's a tribe in Africa which traditionally tosses a live white goat onto a roaring bonfire to propitiate the Gods at the beginning of each harvest.

Rather than trying to claim the moral high-ground by uttering politically correct inanities in defence of these abominations - how about you instead start to call for the end of these Medieval practices?

The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter. This indicates that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep - unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body. After the above- mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all. As the brain message (EEG) dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body was convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving the maximum amount of blood from the body: resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

II -Western method performed by C.B.P. Stunning
1. The animals were apparently unconscious soon after being stunned.
2. EEG showed severe pain immediately after stunning.
3. The hearts of the animal that was stunned by C.B.P. stopped beating earlier as compared to the animals slaughtered according to the Halal method resulting in the retention of more blood in the meat. This in turn is unhygienic for the consumer.

David

Can you post a link to the research you cited. I'd like to look into it some more.

There's only one link you need observe in order to judge for yourself if the above contention is correct or not.

Check out some of the YouTube beheading videos. Nick Berg, et al.

No pain?

They were squealing like stuck pigs as the knife sliced through their living flesh.

Don't let yourself be suckered by apologists with a pro-Islam agenda.

Herbert,

While there does appear to be, anecdotally, evidence (as you cited) that woul seem to be in conflict with what David posted, that just means there is even more reason to look at research he alluded to and the timelines he quoted.

I've seen a pig being killed with a knife. No stunning beforehand. I've been there right up close and personal.

Trust me, those who are trying to peddle the notion that there is only minimal and brief pain are deceitful PR agents with a religious agenda and who are hoping to make their cruel practices more palatable to the general public.

Compassion in World Farming believes that all slaughter should be humane, which means that animals must be stunned prior to slaughter using a method that causes immediate unconsciousness or, in the case of gas stunning, does not cause distress during the period before loss of consciousness.

We understand that in the UK, a substantial proportion of animals slaughtered for Halal meat are stunned before slaughter; however, animals slaughtered for Kosher meat are in general not stunned before slaughter.

In other case to those people who don't have this belief. It is their right to slaughter without these further methods.

@Herbert - I'm attempting misdirection? Oh the irony.

I did condemn any and all practices that create unnecessary suffering in animals:


What I also did was point out that factory farming is a far more serious issue, and that by ignoring it entirely, your arguments betray a subtext. By researching the organisation you linked to, which is openly racist/facist, I revealed that subtext.

It's quite possible that you truly care about animal welfare, but you clearly care more about an attempt to attack Muslims and Jews otherwise you would have focused on the largest problem. The only reason you didn't is because it doesn't fit the narrative you want to establish.

GYoung - you've mistaken me for AndrewGrey.

His link contains the absurd claim that cutting the throat of goats etc brings about almost instant death - (which in itself is a ridiculous claim) - but then it blows its credibility by going on to say that the ritual throat-slitting is done in order to drain the animal of its blood.

That's a "D'Oh!" moment.

The animal needs to remain alive long enough for its heart to do the work of pumping the blood to drain the body through the breach in the throat.

I'm tired of apologists for evil practices trying to massage unsavoury truths to resemble something noble and innocent.

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Batchhouse cage chicken farming is an abomination that our politicians are happy to tolerate as being acceptable to their moral sensibilities.

@Charles

Yes I agree we cannot argue in each race or beliefs. All we have to do is respect it. Just like as humans respect doesn't exist it is really a trouble.

Utter nonsense.

Defending cruelty on the basis of 'cultural relativism' demonstrates nothing but moral cowardice and civic irresponsibility.

What utter tripe.

Should the British in India have supported the practice of Suttee rather than stop it as they did?

Do we not have a moral responsibility to teach certain African tribes that throwing live goats onto roaring bonfires in order to propitiate the Gods to ensure a bountiful harvest is cruel and inhumane treatment of innocent animals?

Maybe people in Europe are really an animal lovers by creating this kind of legislation.
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