As suggested by Samual.

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A transcript of the police interview with Martin Bryant

PAINE
Q. Look Martin, you've obviously got a, a, an interest in firearms as well?
A. Well, I have had an interest in firearms.
Q. How many guns do you own?
A. I own umm, a shotgun and a semi automatic and another semi automatic. Three altogether.
Q. Where'd you get those guns?
A. Oh, umm, I can't really say, I haven't got my lawyer here so.
Q. Well we have spoken to your lawyer and he knows that we're talking to you.
A, He knows,he knows.
Q. And aah, has no problem with that so aah.
A. Yeah I got umm, one ooh, off a gun dealer and also I got two of 'em umm, got two off ...
(inaudible)
Q. Did you? A Yeah.
Q. We have got some of your guns here.
A. Yeah.
Q. Mr Warren might hold them up aah, and we'll perhaps talk about each one individually.
That might be the best way, better'n we.
A. It's big, isn't it. Is it loaded?
WARREN
Q. No it's
PAINE
Q. No, it's not loaded.
WARREN
Q. Definitely not loaded Martin I can tell you.
A. Yeah.
PAINE
Q. This is a Daiwoo 12 guage shotgun.
A. Ohh sorry, yeah I bought that one off umm, Hill, do you know Terry Hill?
Q. You bought that one off Terry Hill?
A. Yeah, yeah.
Q. That's, ahh, what's his business name?
A. I bought, I paid three thousand for it.
Q. Three thousand dollars?
A. Yeah. Guns and Ammo.
Q. Guns and Ammo.
WARREN
Q. Three thousand dollars.
A. But I mean it's a rare bird isn't it really.
PAINE
Q. Yeah very. How long ago did you buy it?
A. I never, the funny thing is, I never umm, got round to using it. Even though I bought it, but
it scared me the thought of it not working, and probably ricocheting out.
WARREN
Q. Yeah.
A. 'Cos ... (inaudible) ... and
Q. Mmm
A. And so I never got to use that one.

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Q. So you've never used it at all?
A. No, not that one but used the other one.
PAINE
Q. Martin, how long ago did you get that one, can you remember?
A. Umm, that one. I bought that one about four months ago.
Q. About four months ago?
A. Mmm.
Q. Thank you. You're right, it's certainly a big and ahh, strange looking thing isn't it?
A. She's burnt that one.
Q. Now this is a ahh, point two two three Remington.
A. It's a mess isn't it.
Q. Or a Colt AR15.
A. Yeah, Colt. Been burnt.
Q. Do you remember where you bought that one?
A. Yeah Terry Hill, Terry Hill.
Q. At Guns and Ammo?
A. Mmm.
Q. How long ago?
A. Month after, ahh before that one, five months ... (inaudible)
Q. Could you speak up again?
A. Five months ago I bought that one.
Q. Five months ago. And you can remember how much you paid for that one?
A. Ahh, five grand with the scope.
Q. Five.
A. Five thousand dollars with the scope on it. It was gonna be four and a half thousand
without the scope but it was five thousand with the scope and strap and also got, got some
ammunition thrown in.
Q. So that scope that's on it now was on it when you purchased it?
A. Yes. But it was a different color, it was darker.
WARREN
Q. Is that a ahh, special scope?
A. Has it been burnt, must've been burnt, yeah.
PAINE
Q. Is that a special scope?
A. Yes, it was a Colt or a special.
WARREN
Q. Alright, what, what's sort of special about it bearing in mind I don't know too much about firearms Martin but?
A. Can I just look through it, am I allowed to have a look through the scope. Yeah. That's a
special one for the gun itself.
Q. Right.
A. Especially made for it.
PAINE
Q. Did you have it especially made for the gun or was it in stock and just came with the gun?
A. Terry Hill said umm, there's extras with that AR15, and I said well I'd be interested in some
extras, but he said it'll cost you more. He said there's a scope, little Colt scope that goes with it
and he said a strap and some ammo and he said it'll cost you five hundred dollars more.

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Q. Ohh right.
A. So.
Q. Alright. How many rounds of ammunition did you get with that, can you remember?
A. Ohh, about eighty rounds. Eighty to a hundred rounds.
Q. Eighty to a hundred rounds?
A. Mmm.
Q. Thank you.
WARREN
Q. Have you purchased any more rounds umm, since you know you've bought the firearm itself?
A. Umm, yeah I've probably purchased eight packets of, be twenty rounds in each.
Q. And that's since you've bought this?
A. Since I've bought it.
Q. From Terry.
A. Terry, yeah. Terry's, have you met Terry before?
Q. Yes, know Terry.
A. Still in business is he?
PAINE
Q. Yes, he's still in business.
A. Yeah ... (inaudible).
Q. Now the next one, why do you ask that ahh, Martin, if Terry's still in business?
A. Ahh, 'cos I didn't have a licence. I had no gun licence.
Q. Sorry I didn't hear you.
A. I had no gun licence and I thought.
Q. So, just let me get this straight. You didn't have a gun licence?
A. No.
Q. Did you make out you had a gun licence when you purchased them?
A. No, I never discussed it, I never, I just said I had the cash on me and he said that's alright.
Q. Did he ever, did he ask to see if you had a gun licence?
A. No, never.
Q. Do you know Terry Hill like as a friend?
A. No, not really. Except when we were living, umm, he, I can still remember when you were
young, small and he said you used to come in here and just look around after you'd finished
school, I said yeah, so I knew him.
Q. So Guns and Ammo's been in New Town Road for
A. For a while.
Q. Quite a long time?
A. Yeah.
Q. Ohh right I see.
A. I think they were further down the road near the K Mart at one stage.
Q. No I don't, of course I don't know anything about guns so I wouldn't know.
A. You, you don't own any?
Q. No, I don't own any firearms.
WARREN
Q. Mr Paine and myself are about the same, we've got really no, well limited knowledge of firearms.
A. Yeah.
Q. Don't like them personally.
A. Yeah.

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PAINE
Q. Did you always deal with Terry when you went to the Guns and Ammo or did you deal with the staff as well?
A. Ohh there's only that other person, other man there, he dealt, he passed me the bullets, I
used to just give Terry the money.
Q. But when you got the guns, you always dealt with Terry?
A. Ohh yes.
Q. Ohh right.
A. I bought some out of the paper.
Q. Yeah. Alright, the next one we'll look at is a ahh, a three 0 eight ahh, calibre, FN weapon.
A. Mmm.
Q. Do you remember where?
A. I've never seen that one before. Never. That's not one of mine.
Q. You sure?
A. No definitely not, never seen that in my life. It's nice though.
WARREN
Q. Have you ever had a three 0 eight?
A. Three 0 eight, yes. Had a three 0 eight.
Q. Mmm.
A. That was one Terry Hill was repairing.
PAINE
Q. Ill just ask Mr Warren to pick up a scope we have there on the floor because that might be causing the confusion. I believe that that scope was probably fitted to that gun before we got it. Now does that.
A. No I've never seen that scope before in my life. Never. No. No I've never. Never seen that
scope in my life.
Q. Now you say you've never seen that three 0 eight before but you did in fact own a three 0
eight?
A. Yeah, definitely.
Q. Right.
A. ... (inaudible) ..., AR10.
Q. Just a sec, before I go onto that. Where did you get the three 0 eight that?
A. I bought the three 0 eight about, this is going back six, seven years now.
Q. Yes.
A. Out of a paper, out of the Mercury.
Q. Out of the Mercury?
A. Yes.
Q. Right. And where did you buy three 0 eight ammunition?
A. Umm, I managed to get that, a load of it, about six, seven boxes with twenty in each box,
ohh about four or five years ago but I had it stored away, been stored away, I never got to use
that and, and it's only recently that I got to use it but, but they were the wrong bullets. So I
went over to Terry Hill for the first time for years and he said you're using the wrong bullets
Martin, you should be using the military hard, hard top bullets. He said the only ones I've got
in stock, I've got a case of three thousand rounds and he said it'll cost you nine, think it was
nine hundred and thirty dollars. And I said I'll think about it, I'll get back to you on Monday.
So it was on the Friday, I phoned him up a few hours later, I said I've got the money, I'll come
over and buy the rounds.
Q. So you bought three thousand?
A. Rounds. I couldn't buy anything smaller off him because that's all he had at the time and.

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PAINE
Q. So Martin.
A, Shouldn't be here.
Q. Where did you use these guns, did you practise shooting?
A. I only used them about four or five times altogether.
WARREN
Q. How many rounds do you reckon you would've practised, you know, any idea?
A. Altogether, probably, probably twenty or thirty rounds out of that AR10 and probably
twenty rounds out of that AR15 and that's about it, mmm.
PAINE
Q. Did you ever go shooting with anyone else in the bush or anything like that?
A. No one.
Q. Just on, just on your own?
A. Mmm.
Q. What sort of car do you have Martin?
A. Ahh, I own a Volvo, a seventy nine model Volvo and a Honda Civic.
Q. Good cars?
A. Mmm. Great cars.
Q. How long have you owned the Volvo?
A. Ohh four years I've owned the Volvo for, mmm.
WARREN
Q. Any ahh, specific reason or preference you chose a Volvo?
A. Ohh my Dad owned Volvos.
Q. Mmm.
A. That's probably why.
Q. Right.
A. They're all good cars.
PAINE
Q. What about the Honda?
A. That was a great little car.
Q. Where'd you get the Honda from?
A. Ahh, that was inherited.
Q. Ohh right.
A. Mmm.
Q. And where did you get the Volvo from?
A. That was bought privately out of the paper.
Q. So you went and, you answered the ad?
A. Umm, answered the ad, yes.
Q. And went and saw it?
A. Yeah and bought it.
PAINE
Q. Hey Martin, how come you never got about, got around to getting a driver's licence?
A. Ahh, I didn't think I'd ever pass or get through the courses 'cos I'm not that bright.
Q. Did you ever get ahh, stopped by the police or anything like that?
A. Well on the way back from Kingston I did, one day with the Honda Civic for, for not
having it registered. And then he's asked for some ID, I said I haven't got, he asked for ID. He
said what about your driver's licence. I said I haven't got a driver's licence. Ohh he said, that
makes things difficult. So then like I didn't appear in court 'cos I didn't have to 'cos I got a fine
of about two hundred dollars.

Interesting, aren't they. I have these filed away but not a reliable source for referencing it.

Why does he have a Volvo? He followed the example of his Dad. He uses others as a guide on what to do.

When did he buy the Colt AR15? About five months earlier he claimed which places it immediately after 'A Current Affair' s special on how to buy illegal guns wherein Roland Browne said 'We are going to have a massacre in Tasmania!', and which was so persuasive that according to the coroner, a Melbourne man jumped on the ferry and followed the instructions from ACA, got a gun and shot himself in the head.

ChrisPer if this is an example of your 'critical thinking' skills I would have to say I am critical of your critical thinking.

Re the Volvo: How many people have been influenced by their parents into which products to buy or for that matter which political party to vote for etc etc etc. Did his father also own a Honda Civic.

"He uses others as a guide on what to do". Just about the whole population does that to some degree including 'critical thinkers' who follow without question the official line.

Re the ACA program: ...have you any proof MB watched that particular program?? Someone shooting themselves in Melbourne after the program was aired is hardly proof of MB's guilt.

If you paid hard cash for your 'critical thinking' course I would be asking for my money back.

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Q. Right. So you, you, how old are you now?
A. So umm, how old am I, twenty nine.
Q. And when did you start driving?
A. Umm, I started, what would it be, twelve months or so ago.
Q. Right, So you've had a pretty good run?
A, Mmm. Pretty good run.
WARREN
Q. You've only been driving twelve months?
A. Ohh over twelve months, probably two years.
PAINE
Q. And you were living in Clare Street?
A. Yeah. Lived there for quite a while now. Mmm. Mmm.
WARREN
Q. Just going back to your diving ahh, for a minute Martin ahh, you say you did have lessons with driving or did someone train you?
A. Umm, yes I did.
Q. Right.
A. Paddy. Paddy instructor.
Q. Now you mention you were diving ahh, when you went overseas there?
A. Yeah, in Sweden. A couple of times.
Q. In Sweden.
A. 'Cos they speak English the Swedes.
Q. Right.
A. Mmm.
PAINE
Q. Where did you do most of your diving?
A. Umm, ohh mainly down Port Arthur.
Q. Ohh right.
A. 'Cos my parents owned a shack down there.
Q. Ohh, whereabouts?
A. Safety Cove.
Q. Ohh right.
A. Mmm.
Q. Was it good down there?
A. Yeah great, great down there. Catch a crayfish and have a ... (inaudible)
Q. Martin, just be, while, before I forget it, can we have a look at the three 0 eight again
please Mr Warren. The one with the scope. I'd like you to have a closer look at, look at it.
WARREN
Q. If I hold it up with the scope, you might.
PAINE
Q. If Mr Warren holds it like that.
A. Yeah. No, no, I've never seen that one before. Never.
Q. Thanks Mr Warren.
A. ... (inaudible). I wish I had that AR15 in here, then I could probably get out. Jump part of
the window, I could probably jump through the window and escape because of this. I don't
like being locked up, it's not very nice.
Q. No.
A. ... (inaudible)
Q. Im not surprised, that'd be a fairly common reaction I suppose.

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A. Yeah. Yep.
Q. Martin, do you remember the twenty eighth of April, Sunday the twenty eighth of April this
year?
A. Aah, no I don't. Was that the day I suppose everyone's talking about. Ohh, about the drama
of me being in Royal Hobart Hospital, I think.
Q. That was when you were in the hospital on.
A. On the.
Q. Twenty ninth.
A. Mmm, twenty ninth. Sunday the twenty eighth. Well was that when I was in here or.
Q. Perhaps if I make it easier. Do you recall going to ahh, your mother's place on Saturday
night with Petra and having a meal?
A. Ohh yes. Mmm.
Q. How'd the night go?
A. Ohh. That was the day before I got burnt I think. Ohh, the night went well. Went really well.
Q. Have a couple of drinks?
A. Couple of drinks, yeah. Couple of quiet drinks.
Q. Did you drive back to your place?
A. Yeah. Spent the night at my place, yeah.

Q. Who drove, you or Petra?
A. Umm, I drove. I think I had the Honda Civic.
Q. You had the Civic did you?
A. Yeah.
Q. Left the Volvo at home?
A. Yeah, left Petra's car at home, yeah.
Q. Ohh right.
A. Left, the Volvo wasn't, I didn't use the Volvo very much, once I sold the boat, the boat. You see that's how I got, I had an inflatable Zodiac. Did you hear, have you heard. And that's how I paid for my AR15s 'cos I got about four, a bit over four thousand dollars for my.
Q. So.
A. ... (inaudible) ... motor because it's brand, it's brand new and I paid nearly nine thousand for it, and it was only three months old. I almost gave it away.
Q. Why'd you sell it?
A. I got sick of diving, scuba diving and I nearly lost me life through a boating mishap with my other girlfriend. I was down past the South East Cape.
WARREN
Q. Right.
A. And it was just, it was just luck that a fishing boat came along otherwise I wouldn't be here, me girl, me girlfriend wouldn't be, definitely because she didn't have a wetsuit on.
Q. What happened there?
A. The motor actually stopped. Went through one tank of petrol, put the other tank on the hose and one, it was the connection inside the motor had fallen off. I kept on trying to start it, it just wouldn't start, it wasn't until a fishing boat picked us up that actually ... (inaudible) ... such and such was off. And it was ... (inaudible) ... connective something and it was nearly dark and we actually had a couple of flares and that helped alright. That saved us.
PAINE
Q. That would certainly.

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A. I would've been dead. I would've had a, ahh my girlfriend would've been dead the next morning.
Q. That would certainly turn off anyone, anyone off boating I'd reckon Martin.
A. Yeah I'll say.
Q. So you're.
A. And I was starting to get cold feet, my feet were starting to freeze up and, I was shaking, my girlfriend was shaking.
WARREN
Q. Weather fairly rough was it or?
A. It wasn't that rough, no, but it was cold, it was cold.
PAINE
Q. How far.
A. It was right up near Hen Island, past South East Cape there, 'cos we launched the boat at Research Bay, went right round there 'cos the weather was good you see and the weather was, we were just coming back, halfway back and it stopped ... (inaudible) ...
WARREN
Q. How big was your, your boat?
A. Eleven foot six Zodiac, with a twenty five horsepower Evinrude on it.
Q. Mmm.
A. Brand new it was.
PAINE
Q. Do you go surfing as well?
A. Yeah, surfing.
Q. Do you?
A. Mmm. I've been once.
Q. Where's your favorite spots?
A. I've been once or twice now. Well usually at Roaring Beach.
Q. Ohh. A, I've, I went surfing not so long ago round there.
Q. What was it like?
A. Good.
Q. Be cold this time of year.
A. Mmm.
WARREN
Q. Wear a wetsuit?
A. But I forgot to wax me board up that was the only damn trouble.
PAINE
Q. What difference does that make?
A. It's difficult if you don't wax your board. You can't really stand up on it.
WARREN
Q. You can't get, you can't get a grip.
A. Yeah. I done a bit of bodyboarding instead on it. Mmm.
PAINE
Q. Well do you own a wetsuit?
A. Do I, ohh an old one upstairs but I never use it 'cos it, just take all me clothes off and.
WARREN
Q. Take all your clothes off?
A. And just go in there. I was only in the water for about twenty minutes.
Q. Good God, it'd be freezing.

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A. Mmm. The funny thing is, I forgot to take a towel with me so, mmm, I was looking for a towel in the Volvo but I couldn't find one.
WARREN
Q. When, when are you sort of talking about now Martin, when's this latest incident, your surfing? This is the last time you went.
A. Last time I went, yeah.
Q. Right.
A. Mmm. Before I came into the prison.
Q. Have you ever had a wetsuit or?
A. Ever had a wetsuit.
Q. (inaudible)
A. Ohh yes, I've owned wetsuits.
Q. Yeah.
A. Sold my other wetsuit not so long ago, me new wetsuit.
PAINE
Q. Where do you get your money to umm, you know buy things like boats?
A. Where do I get my money from, it was left for me through an estate.
Q. Ohh right, I see.
A. Dad left this money and, yeah, mmm.
Q. Do you handle your money carefully?
A. Pretty carefully, goes pretty quickly. I like spending money.
Q. Do you?
A. Mmm. I'd rather spend it than keep it.
Q. You've certainly spent it on those overseas trips.
A. Yeah, spent a little bit. Unfortunately I couldn't go on any more otherwise I would've gone away in May. I was informed nicely that I wasn't able to go away for a long time, for about twelve months, which upset me greatly.
WARREN
Q. Why's that?
A. 'Cos maybe once or twice a year because I only have to accumulate and, and just couldn't go away on any more trips for a while, but that upset me a lot, yeah.
PAINE
Q. Martin, if you'd excuse me, I'd just like to leave the room for a second.
A. Alright.
Q. If that's okay with you, Mr Warren will be here with you and I'll ... (inaudible) ..

Inspector PAINE leaves the room.

WARREN
Q. When you say it upset you, what umm
A. Mmm, just threw me back 'cos I didn't have anything to do.
Q. Mmm. Right. Who, who actually told you that? A, I wasn't able to go on a trip probably for six months and that was ohh, the people, Perpetual Trustees, a lady that looks after my money.
Q. Right. Did you have a regular contact with her?
A. Yeah, we phone up whenever I, I needed something to talk about. Ohh, here's me court case is it?
Q. Gees I'll say. Hey Martin, what, sorry I keep going back to these guns. What did you, ahh, you know you said you went a couple of time to practise shooting, where did you go?

Yes! A GOOD question, Hunter!

No proof he watched that individual program; if I had I certainly would have used it! But he watched many like it, as reported in the literature. Cramer reported that many mass shooters kept Time and Newsweek articles about earlier mass shootings and bought the same guns shown in the 'arsenals' of earlier shooters.

However, someone else shooting themselves IS proof that that particular program was pitched the wrong way, creating imitators rather than preventing what they pretend to decry.

ChrisPer you are pissing in the wind old mate and being dishonest at the same time.

Debate Port Arthur or piss off,

Page 11 of 45: This poor bastard, because he had the means, was exploited by others because of his lack of nous.

A. So.
PAINE
Q. Just getting back to Terry Hill, where, did you think it was strange that he didn't ask you for a gun licence?
A. Yeah, he never got round to asking me for one, I was gonna let him know though.
Q. Did you think flashing the cash in front of him?
A. Ohh yeah, I was gonna let him know I had one if he asked.
Q. Yeah.
A. Maybe because he knew me when I was that small he knew me and.
Q. So he saw you grow up basically coming into the shop.
A. A couple of times, yeah.
Q. Over several years?
A. Yeah.
Q. Yeah. Ohh, alright.
A. I s'pose it helps you, when you got the money it helps. People pass things over if you've got the cash.
WARREN
Q. If you've got the cash. What was the set up when you wanted, wanted cash for something Martin, did ahh, you have to contact someone at the?
A. Ahh, yeah, I used to go intlo the account once every three months for money.
Q. Your accountant?
A. No account, my bank account every three months.
Q. Ohh right.
A. It's managed by Perpetual Trustees.
Q. Right. So you just had to go and see them and ahh, tell them what you wanted the money for?
A. Only see them before the three months, if I've spent that money, had to, I had to live on within three months I would go in and see them.
Q. Mmm.
A. If I needed a, the boat fixed, they help me with the boat or an overseas trip but unfortunately I went through the money a bit too quick and.
PAINE
Q. Did you, have you got a credit card?
A. Never.
Q. Never owned a credit card?
A. No, never.
Q. Ohh, you wanna get one, they're the best things out.
A. Do you reckon I could've gone for extra trips and they wouldn've known?
Q. Ohh well you've eventually got to pay.
A. (inaudible)
Q. The money back but ahh.
A. Ohh would've, would've been more of a benefit for me.
PAINE
Q. Did you have a cheque book?
A. Never. No.
Q. So only ever used cash?
A. I only used cash.
Q. So when you bought the guns from Terry Hill, you paid in cash, was that correct?

Since I'm not from Australia, can someone give me a hint as to the point of this thread. I am aware of the killings, the interest some here have in gun control, and I just read some of the theories about conspiracies but I'm not clear on the purpose of the transcripts.

I think that Hunter took offense at my contempt for the conspiracy theory so started posting evidence, but it might be just to provoke discussion of what we generally treat as off limits.

Ah, private matter. Adios.

What a pathetic attempt to stifle debate. I started this thread at the suggestion of the moderator.

Not a private matter at all Patrick. Being a ex policeman yourself I would welcome your comments on the Tasmanian police interviewing a suspect with a IQ of 69 while denying him his rights to have a legal representation present.

The moderator thought that the 'Israel' thread was getting a bit far off topic, although a discussion of PA might bring some to a realization that some of the conspiracy theories are way out.
The first theory that ought to fall is that any Australian politicians could hatch a decent conspiracy and keep their mouths shut.