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So is smoking.


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 Post subject: Re: THE GAYING OF AMERICA
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I have a feeling you have already rated the two activities according to a criterion which is not health.


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 Post subject: Re: THE GAYING OF AMERICA
PostPosted: 07 Jan 2011 23:04 
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Up the bum sex is also bad for your health and the health of others. Excuse me for a moment while I have a spew.

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B. Physical Health

Unhealthy sexual behaviors occur among both heterosexuals and homosexuals. Yet the medical and social science evidence indicate that homosexual behavior is uniformly unhealthy. Although both male and female homosexual practices lead to increases in Sexually Transmitted Diseases, the practices and diseases are sufficiently different that they merit separate discussion.

1. Male Homosexual Behavior

Men having sex with other men leads to greater health risks than men having sex with women19 not only because of promiscuity but also because of the nature of sex among men. A British researcher summarizes the danger as follows:

"Male homosexual behaviour is not simply either 'active' or 'passive,' since penile-anal, mouth-penile, and hand-anal sexual contact is usual for both partners, and mouth-anal contact is not infrequent. . . . Mouth-anal contact is the reason for the relatively high incidence of diseases caused by bowel pathogens in male homosexuals. Trauma may encourage the entry of micro-organisms and thus lead to primary syphilitic lesions occurring in the anogenital area. . . . In addition to sodomy, trauma may be caused by foreign bodies, including stimulators of various kinds, penile adornments, and prostheses."20

Although the specific activities addressed below may be practiced by heterosexuals at times, homosexual men engage in these activities to a far greater extent.21

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a. Anal-genital

Anal intercourse is the sine qua non of sex for many gay men.22 Yet human physiology makes it clear that the body was not designed to accommodate this activity. The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis. The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm. In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an "exit-only" passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, anal intercourse leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.

The potential for injury is exacerbated by the fact that the intestine has only a single layer of cells separating it from highly vascular tissue, that is, blood. Therefore, any organisms that are introduced into the rectum have a much easier time establishing a foothold for infection than they would in a vagina. The single layer tissue cannot withstand the friction associated with penile penetration, resulting in traumas that expose both participants to blood, organisms in feces, and a mixing of bodily fluids.

Furthermore, ejaculate has components that are immunosuppressive. In the course of ordinary reproductive physiology, this allows the sperm to evade the immune defenses of the female. Rectal insemination of rabbits has shown that sperm impaired the immune defenses of the recipient.23 Semen may have a similar impact on humans.24

The end result is that the fragility of the anus and rectum, along with the immunosuppressive effect of ejaculate, make anal-genital intercourse a most efficient manner of transmitting HIV and other infections. The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male homosexual practitioners as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:

Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis25

Sexual transmission of some of these diseases is so rare in the exclusively heterosexual population as to be virtually unknown. Others, while found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners, are clearly predominated by those involved in homosexual activity. Syphilis, for example is found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners. But in 1999, King County, Washington (Seattle), reported that 85 percent of syphilis cases were among self-identified homosexual practitioners.26 And as noted above, syphilis among homosexual men is now at epidemic levels in San Francisco.27

A 1988 CDC survey identified 21 percent of all Hepatitis B cases as being homosexually transmitted while 18 percent were heterosexually transmitted.28 Since homosexuals comprise such a small percent of the population (only 1-3 percent),29 they have a significantly higher rate of infection than heterosexuals.30

Anal intercourse also puts men at significant risk for anal cancer. Anal cancer is the result of infection with some subtypes of human papilloma virus (HPV), which are known viral carcinogens. Data as of 1989 showed the rates of anal cancer in male homosexual practitioners to be 10 times that of heterosexual males, and growing. 30 Thus, the prevalence of anal cancer among gay men is of great concern. For those with AIDS, the rates are doubled.31

Other physical problems associated with anal intercourse are:

hemorrhoids
anal fissures
anorectal trauma
retained foreign bodies.32

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http://www.catholiceducation.org/articl ... 75.html#06


There are a myriad of health risks associated with rodeo bronco-riding and bull-riding. What is your attitude toward these activities?


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 Post subject: Re: THE GAYING OF AMERICA
PostPosted: 07 Jan 2011 23:51 
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I'll yeild to Hunter's encyclopedic knowledge of gay sex. I'm 69-years old and he certainly knows a lot more about it than I do. When I was in college we didn't have classes on that subject but maybe they do now. I've also never seen a book on the topic but I don't spend time in that section in the bookstore I guess. In any case, and however the knowledge was acquired, I'll yield to Hunter's expertise but I accept none of his opinions.


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 Post subject: Re: THE GAYING OF AMERICA
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 Post subject: Re: THE GAYING OF AMERICA
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Hunter wrote:
Tom Palven wrote:
Hunter wrote:
Up the bum sex is also bad for your health and the health of others. Excuse me for a moment while I have a spew.

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B. Physical Health

Unhealthy sexual behaviors occur among both heterosexuals and homosexuals. Yet the medical and social science evidence indicate that homosexual behavior is uniformly unhealthy. Although both male and female homosexual practices lead to increases in Sexually Transmitted Diseases, the practices and diseases are sufficiently different that they merit separate discussion.

1. Male Homosexual Behavior

Men having sex with other men leads to greater health risks than men having sex with women19 not only because of promiscuity but also because of the nature of sex among men. A British researcher summarizes the danger as follows:

"Male homosexual behaviour is not simply either 'active' or 'passive,' since penile-anal, mouth-penile, and hand-anal sexual contact is usual for both partners, and mouth-anal contact is not infrequent. . . . Mouth-anal contact is the reason for the relatively high incidence of diseases caused by bowel pathogens in male homosexuals. Trauma may encourage the entry of micro-organisms and thus lead to primary syphilitic lesions occurring in the anogenital area. . . . In addition to sodomy, trauma may be caused by foreign bodies, including stimulators of various kinds, penile adornments, and prostheses."20

Although the specific activities addressed below may be practiced by heterosexuals at times, homosexual men engage in these activities to a far greater extent.21

back

a. Anal-genital

Anal intercourse is the sine qua non of sex for many gay men.22 Yet human physiology makes it clear that the body was not designed to accommodate this activity. The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis. The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm. In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an "exit-only" passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, anal intercourse leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.

The potential for injury is exacerbated by the fact that the intestine has only a single layer of cells separating it from highly vascular tissue, that is, blood. Therefore, any organisms that are introduced into the rectum have a much easier time establishing a foothold for infection than they would in a vagina. The single layer tissue cannot withstand the friction associated with penile penetration, resulting in traumas that expose both participants to blood, organisms in feces, and a mixing of bodily fluids.

Furthermore, ejaculate has components that are immunosuppressive. In the course of ordinary reproductive physiology, this allows the sperm to evade the immune defenses of the female. Rectal insemination of rabbits has shown that sperm impaired the immune defenses of the recipient.23 Semen may have a similar impact on humans.24

The end result is that the fragility of the anus and rectum, along with the immunosuppressive effect of ejaculate, make anal-genital intercourse a most efficient manner of transmitting HIV and other infections. The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male homosexual practitioners as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:

Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis25

Sexual transmission of some of these diseases is so rare in the exclusively heterosexual population as to be virtually unknown. Others, while found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners, are clearly predominated by those involved in homosexual activity. Syphilis, for example is found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners. But in 1999, King County, Washington (Seattle), reported that 85 percent of syphilis cases were among self-identified homosexual practitioners.26 And as noted above, syphilis among homosexual men is now at epidemic levels in San Francisco.27

A 1988 CDC survey identified 21 percent of all Hepatitis B cases as being homosexually transmitted while 18 percent were heterosexually transmitted.28 Since homosexuals comprise such a small percent of the population (only 1-3 percent),29 they have a significantly higher rate of infection than heterosexuals.30

Anal intercourse also puts men at significant risk for anal cancer. Anal cancer is the result of infection with some subtypes of human papilloma virus (HPV), which are known viral carcinogens. Data as of 1989 showed the rates of anal cancer in male homosexual practitioners to be 10 times that of heterosexual males, and growing. 30 Thus, the prevalence of anal cancer among gay men is of great concern. For those with AIDS, the rates are doubled.31

Other physical problems associated with anal intercourse are:

hemorrhoids
anal fissures
anorectal trauma
retained foreign bodies.32

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http://www.catholiceducation.org/articl ... 75.html#06


There are a myriad of health risks associated with rodeo bronco-riding and bull-riding. What is your attitude toward these activities?


There certainly are health risks like broken bones or worse associated with highly physical sports....but I doubt whether HIV or Aids would be counted among them.


Huh? What is your attitude toward Bronc and bull riding was the question.


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 Post subject: Re: THE GAYING OF AMERICA
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Hunter wrote:
But don't ever try to convince me this disgusting practice is natural.


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You might have to define 'natural' for me? Are cars natural? Are guns natural? Is plastic natural, or mobile phones or computers or GPS devices? Are clothes natural? Do you 'accept' these things as 'natural'?


I think we're going around in circles...you never answered the question about 'natural'?


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 Post subject: Re: THE GAYING OF AMERICA
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Hunter wrote:
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But don't ever try to convince me this disgusting practice is natural.


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You might have to define 'natural' for me? Are cars natural? Are guns natural? Is plastic natural, or mobile phones or computers or GPS devices? Are clothes natural? Do you 'accept' these things as 'natural'?


I think we're going around in circles...you never answered the question about 'natural'?


I usually don't bother replying to idiotic questions. What has cars, guns and mobile phones got to do with anal sex for Christ's sake?

If you believe anal penetration is natural, as in the order of nature, they good on you.....but I don't and nothing you say will change that.

Maybe you should direct your argument to the following. Do you agree or disagree?


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a. Anal-genital

Anal intercourse is the sine qua non of sex for many gay men.22 Yet human physiology makes it clear that the body was not designed to accommodate this activity. The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis. The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm. In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an "exit-only" passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, anal intercourse leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.

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Oh, I thought you were putting your position about natural forward on the ethics forum so it could be discussed. My mistake.

The body wasn't 'designed' for anything. It exists as it does as a result of evolutionary processes.

You also seem to be forgetting that women can be homosexual and don't necessarily participate in anal intercourse.


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 Post subject: Re: THE GAYING OF AMERICA
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Hunter: "But don't ever try to convince me this disgusting practice is natural."

And, I didn't, did I, Hunter. I was just commenting on your unnatural interest in the subject. But, whatever you enjoy is your business.


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 Post subject: Re: THE GAYING OF AMERICA
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You know, I feel like am trolling when I write something in this thread, because I know it will make Hunter angry.

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Address the subject of bum f--king or piss off.


I thought the topic was about gays in the military, and I thought that there were women in the military. I thought you put forward anal intercourse because this was evidence as to why homosexuality was 'wrong', though this would only apply to men in the military (if we assume heterosexual people do not experiment with it).

But now I understand that you only joined this forum so that people would agree with you and so that you could make rude comments to people who don't.

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"Ethics" do you really understand the meaning of the word.


I didn't know you had it all figured out. You'll have to tell us, we've been debating it here for a while.


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The making of tools is a natural progression by man so making use of natural materials to make them is, I'd say, entirely natural; on the other hand, having discovered the fun parlour it seems rather un-natural to play in the garbage disposal unit.


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[quote=Samuel]The making of tools is a natural progression by man so making use of natural materials to make them is, I'd say, entirely natural; on the other hand, having discovered the fun parlour it seems rather un-natural to play in the garbage disposal unit.[/quote]

I don't want to make assumptions as to how you define 'natural' - maybe you could post your thoughts.

If it's about 'utility' then I assume you are against other human behaviours that do not have great utility, like art. (This, on the assumption that you do not believe enjoying life has benefits to those that enjoy it).

If it is about 'safety' or 'health' then I assume you are against other human behaviours that have a risk, such as smoking, space exploration and sport.


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It's just that I've noticed over the years that most people prefer fun parlors; I'm up in Bombay at the moment and I haven't seen anyone playing in the garbage tips (of which there are more than a few), plenty of workers; rag pickers, plastic collectors etc., but no one is there for the fun of it.
Just below the windows of our place (5th floor in a reasonable location) the kids from the nearby slum are playing cricket; there is a pile of garbage down the end of the street so they could play there if they wanted to, apparently they have some natural aversion to it.


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